abador Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 I must have been tired and wasn't thinking at the time but I thought I'd try to make the GFCI that I had plugged into the wall trip by shorting out the connections. I know it was dumb and quite dangerous but I have one big question that came to mind, when it was shorted out the lights went brighter. According to the theory that I have learned, the lights should have gotten dimmer because the voltage should have gone close to zero and the amperage should have reached the maximum level at the shorted point. I am just curious as to why and how the lights became brighter instead of dimmer and also why the circuit breaker didn't trip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero999 Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Yes the lights should get dimmer when more current is drawn..I don't know, perhaps the tap changer inside the transformer supplying your house switched to a higher voltage tap to compensate for the voltage drop created by the surge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abador Posted April 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 That's actually the only thing I could think of. Do you think it could also be the result of faulty wiring or bad components in the household wiring? My Grandpa did the wiring about 20 or 30 years ago and there are a lot of fluky things that he did such as having two items like a plug and light switch wired to two different circuit breakers. Also maybe it could be the result of aging circuitry? This whole thing has pretty much stumped me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMoffett Posted April 23, 2011 Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 Likely, you have less than good neutral connection at the service entrance box or the utilitie's transformer. In the US the service supply is from a 220vac center-tapped transformer. Half the circuits in a house are supplied 120VAC from neutral to one end of the transformer's secondary, and the other half are supplied 120VAC from neutral to the second end. If the house neutral to transformer's center tap is lifted, the devices on the two circuits appear in series and become a voltage divider. If both circuits are equally loaded, each will see 120V. But if not, the circuit with the lowest resistance devices (more heavily loaded) drops proportionally less of the 220V across its devices. The circuit with a higher resistance (less heavily loaded) drops more. So, when you short out one circuit, most or all of the 220V appears across the other circuit. The bulbs on the other circuit see a supply voltage much greater than 120V, get brighter, and then burn out. I saw this in my parents house.Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abador Posted April 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2011 I checked the voltage in a few of the outlets in the house. Some were at 118 V and others (including the outlet that was shorted out) were at 125V. Could this be an indicator that the loads are not balanced in the service box and could that have influenced the thing with the lights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMoffett Posted April 25, 2011 Report Share Posted April 25, 2011 That is a symptom. What's the voltage at the two circuits in the circuit breaker box entrance. You need to have an electrician check all the connections at the service entrance and circuit breaker box.Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abador Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 How do I check the voltage at the circuit breaker box? Is there an opening somewhere I could put the probes to my multimeter or do I need to remove a circuit breaker to get at it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMoffett Posted April 28, 2011 Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 Because you needed to ask, and because I have no idea of your service entrance box configuration, I strongly recommend that you have an electrician do the check and any repairs.Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abador Posted April 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2011 ok thanks for all the input, it was very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbalegria Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 Just a question. What LED was the brightest that can fit to my Headlight motorcycle?Dashquidfatlossprofessional.co.ukfatlossprofessionalmobilehelpersecuretripwhichpetcovergoogleabcfacebookcraigslist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMoffett Posted May 2, 2011 Report Share Posted May 2, 2011 mbalegria,Your question has nothing to do with this thread. You should start your own thread with an appropriate title to get helpful responses.Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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